Potential flamewar: stuff for the next SSB - Kirby 5-Star

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

Potential flamewar: stuff for the next SSB

johnny139 · Feb 26, 2009

...have I reposted my list here yet? Ah, hell, may as well. I have on every other board I've ever been to. Spoiler Tagged because it's freakin' long.

THE TOP FIVE CHARACTERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN BRAWL AND HAD BETTER BE IN SSB4!

Spoiler: 5) - MEWTWO

Find someone cooler. I dare you. Go on! Do it!

Pokemon is a MASSIVE series. MASSIVE. Probably bigger than Zelda, though still under Mario. Currently, it has seven movesets... SEVEN. That's seven times as many as F-Zero! But, though it has a bunch of heroes, there's one thing it's lacking... a bad guy. I know, I know, Mewtwo isn't technically a VILLAIN, but he's the closest thing to a Final Boss that Red and Blue had. Not to mention the fact he was originally IN BRAWL!

Ganondorf and Bowser as the head honchos of Subspace is something I can believe. One is magical, one is strong, but it's lacking that pure brilliance that is Mewtwo. Ganondorf dissecting Mr. Game & Watch and finding out that his insides are a powerful weapon? Nah. MEWTWO dissecting Mr. Game & Watch? That's more like it!

However, Pokemon has, again SEVEN reps. SEVEN. So Mewtwo ranks down at a lowly #5... it's a shame Lucario's in. Maybe I could have put a much better Pokemon up higher on the list. >.>

Badass, isn't it? I'd look a lot better with Mewtwo, though.

MOVESET

Generally, Mewtwo would play the same way that he did in Melee. However, to make him actually USEFUL, there needs to be some changes. First of all, he should be stronger, faster, and all around better at kicking ass. He should be fast and furious, with good hits to knock the opponent around. Remember the Pokemon Movies? He flung a rhino made of solid rock across the room without even breaking a sweat. That's the kind of thing I'd want!

His A moves are fine, but his B moves would need a few changes...

B - Shadow Ball It should be rapid-fire for some opportunities, and chargable for when a heavy shot is needed.

B> - Confuse Ray Mewtwo's confusion (the one that caused a shield-break-like effect) attack in Melee was AWESOME. But it didn't work from afar. In order to keep it... not... broken, you would need to shorten the downtime it causes, and make it shoot in a straight line. But locking down opponents should be Mewtwo's specialty.

B^ - Teleport Perfect as is... MAYBE make the reach a tad larger, but otherwise perfect.

Bv - Reflect Think Fox's Reflector + Zelda's Nayru's Love. Immediately reflects all attacks (physical or ranged), damages those nearby, but doesn't stick around for long, and has a lot of startup lag.

Oh, and he doesn't have a Final Smash, either. Let's make one up.

Final Smash - Psychic Mewtwo pauses and holds his head for a few seconds. All opponents take MASSIVE damage - the closer you are to Mewtwo, the more damage dealt. If you're right next to him, 100%. If you're at the other side of the Bridge of Eldin, 20%.

For Brawl, it may never have been. So until SSB4 is released and we hope to see you among its ranks... goodnight, sweet mutant prince thing.

Spoiler: 4) - TINGLE

Not as glamourous as Spider-Man's origin... but it gets the job done.

What? Tingle! In fourth! In JOHNNY'S list! Who are you and what have you done with our savior!?

I know that's what you're thinking. Why isn't the best character in the history of gaming #1? As much as I love Tingle, he's not THAT major. However, the niche he would fill IS. Let's look at the Zelda roster. Link, Zelda, and Sheik, all with a unique moveset; Ganondorf and Toon Link, both with (mostly) clones movesets. Compare this to Mario and its spinoffs - with seven unique characters - and Pokemon - with, again, seven unique characters. Clearly our favorite sword-swinging epic has been shafted.

While Tingle would not guarantee a cloneless moveset, he's the most major character with a chance to be completely unique. His popularity in Japan, as evidenced by the picture beneath this paragraph, speaks for itself. With two games of his own, and more appearances than Ganon himself in the main series, there's no real reason to exclude him. And the fact he was put in as an Assist Trophy proves just how close he was to a coveted spot in the roster... however, the fact he, like everyone else, has a chance to be cloned, and the Zelda series DOES have four characters more than most series, puts him in a fitting fourth - right next to the "Big Three."

When a company thinks putting an elderly man in green latex will BOOST sales...

MOVESET

While Tingle COULD be a clone (maybe one of Toon Zelda, with Rupee Magic... or something...), odds are, he'd be completely unique. While he hasn't shown off too many combat skills in his time in the sun, it's still more than, say, Captain Falcon has. With some tweaking, methinks he could fit in perfectly.

Stat-wise, he's be light and slow-moving, but able to rack up damage quickly with aerial moves. Tingle would almost be a Jigglypuff-style character; easy to beat up on the ground, but untouchable in mid-air. His general persona would be gleeful... almost like he's beating the crap out of you ACCIDENTALLY. A Moves would involve slaps, kicks, and headbutts, along with a good dose of confetti. Toss in some killer, magical smashes, and you'd have a great character.

B - Rupee Throw Tingle shoots out a single Rupee in the vein of PK Fire or Sheik's Needles, but with minor knockback. Chargeable; the longer you hold down B, the more the Rupee is worth, and the more damage done. (Green-Blue-Yellow-Red-Purple-Orange-Silver-Gold)

B> - Scuffle Like in Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, Tingle dives forward and grabs someone. A comical dust cloud appears (like in cartoons), and if you spin the control stick, more damage is dealt. After the dust clears, the opponent will be on the ground and unable to get up for a short while, and Tingle will clean his hands.

Bv - Tingle Bomb A VERY useful move in The Wind Waker. There, he'd drop a bomb wherever you'd like. Here, he pulls out a big bomb (like, the size of an Electrode) and tosses it forward. REALLY strong, but hard to hit people with, because it takes a while to throw.

B^ - Tingle Balloon Tingle inflates a balloon, giving him a slight boost in height and allowing him to float for a short while, similar to Peach. Chargeable, the longer you hold down B, the higher you'll climb in the initial boost. If Tingle Bomb or Rupee Throw is performed, they'll be dropped instead of thrown, and Rupees turn into Force Gems, which similarly increase in power.

Final Smash - Jackpot. Tingle does his signature dance, and Rupees of various worth rain from the sky, dealing a bunch of damage to all enemies. Occationally, Tingle Bombs will fall, too, causing an explosion twice the size of a regular attack.

And just for the heck of it...

Up Taunt - Tingle throws confetti once with both hands, then spins around, all while singing "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!"
Side Taunt - Tingle looks quickly from side to side and scribbles on a piece of paper, making a map of the surrounding area.
Down Taunt - Tingle inflates a balloon, but it fills too much and pops, giving him a look of great surprise.

Spoiler: 3) - SAMURAI GOROH

Close... so very close... if only Sakurai were a more merciful dictator...

Look at the original ten francises. Mario and Pokemon had friends from the start... Zelda got three... Starfox and Kirby got two... Donkey Kong and Mother got one... even Metroid got Zero Suit Samus! Ignoring Yoshi, since he's just a Mario spinoff anyways, Captain Falcon is the only core francise who hasn't gotten a buddy (err... other character). Poor Falcon.

It's not as if F-Zero has a lack of characters to draw from. F-Zero GX, it's most recent console outing, had a total of 41(!) different racers, from princesses to superheroes to arms dealers. However, when looking at potential players, there's not reason to glance past the original four - Captain Falcon, Dr. Stewart, Pico, and our hero's eternal rival, Samurai Goroh. While he, like Falcon, has never been seen out of the ****pit for extended periods of time, that shouldn't hamper his moveset possibilities. Not only is he a bounty hunter, Goroh is (if you couldn't tell by the name) a freakin' SAMURAI.

SAMURAI!

Putting him on the sidelines is inexcusible. Unlike the previous two choices, I can't imagine any reason NOT to include another F-Zero character. Too many swords? I don't care. SAMURAI BOUNTY HUNTER FROM OUTER SPACE!!! There's a reason he's SUPER KICKASS CAPTAIN FALCON'S rival! So why does he only rank in third? You'll see soon enough...

...it's hard to find good pictures of him.

MOVESET

Goroh is a tricky one. If you can't tell by his physique, he would obviously be a heavyweight. But samurai are usually fast, right? So what do we do with him, fast and weak, or slow and strong? It's a tough choice for many, but in my opinion, why choose at all? Both!

His running speed would be painfully slow. But his attack speed... LIGHTNING. The Fire Stingray (his machine) has an A in Body and a B in Grip, making it strong and easy to use, but a D in Boost, giving him a handicap speed-wise and a slow starter. This should be reflected in his moveset. A Moves would be quick, nearly Meta Knight-like, allowing him to rack up the damage. His B Moves would be the opposite, big and clunkly like his machine, but if they're excuted right, BAM!

B - Goroh Slash Falcon Punch with a sword. Long overhead charge with a MASSIVE downswing, dealing massive damage and knockback to whoever you can hit with it, if anyone at all, as it's slower than the Falcon Punch. Also, fire!

B> - Final Slash Ever play Kirby Super Star's "Samurai Kirby" minigame? It showcases a classic in Samurai Movies, and westerns, too... the quick-draw. Both warriors stare eachother down and dash forward, faster than light, drawing their swords in the process, or simply yank their gun out of its holster. The one whose blade (or bullet) was flashed first wins... the other... dies. In short, it's Ike's B>, only a lot more start-up lag and an effect similar (but a weaker than) the Lyn Assist. His main K.O. move.

B^ - Helicopter Blade Goroh spins his sword around like a helicopter, giving him slight lift and dealing a multi-hit to whoever is above him. It's suckish, but that's another handicap of his. Also, fire, again!

Bv - Flame Trail FWOOSH! Goroh should be a fire guy... it's his trademark! FIRE Stingray! Meh. Anyways, he stabs his sword into the ground and flame shoot out of the ground in a row before him, slowly growing larger, the final dealing a lot of knockback. If someone is caught in the startup stab, they'll be pulled along the path and rocketed into the air.

Final Smash - The Goroh Gang Strikes! Goroh shouts for his men to come, and two F-Zero machines similar to his (but with different paintjobs) rocket across the screen in an "X" formation, pulling whoever the catch into the middle of the X. During this process two of Goroh's Men (which you can see HERE) come out and slash quickly at the people caught in the middle for a short qhile. Goroh stands beneath this preparing to strike, and once his men are finished, he leaps up and does a near automatic K.O. to those in the center, similar to a vertical version of his B>.

That Final Smash probably didn't come out very clearly... oh well. It looked really cool in my head.

Spoiler: 2) - ANIMAL CROSSER

The face of a true warrior!

Animal Crosser? In second? Are you mad, man? Yes, I am, but for entirely different reasons.

Once Smashville was confirmed, most of us didn't wonder "Would Animal Crossing get a rep?" Most of us wondered "What will Animal Crossing's rep be?" A fake article about the Animal Crossing Character being confirmed was spread around... and no one second guessed it. It seemed THAT likely. So the final roster was leaked, and I'm sure I wasn' the only who was surprised by the fact there was no big headed freak in the mix!

Smash Bros. has always been a blend of the old and new. Ness and Lucas, Marth and Ike, Jigglypuff and Lucario... but most of the "new" characters are from long-standing series, such as Fire Emblem or Mother. Olimar is the sole representative of a new game SERIES, not just a new GAME. Animal Crosser would usurp that role. While Pikmin was released at Gamecube launch, alongside Melee, Animal Crossing wasn't released until some time AFTER, evidenced by the various trophies found in the game. Yeah, there was Animal Forest in Japan for the N64... but we can just ignore that, for sake of argument.

He's new, he's popular, and he has the right equipment for the job. So why wasn't he included? Let's here it straight from the man himself...

"...does not seem plausable to fight."

SURE Sakurai. If you can make an old 80s toy work, you can make a popular character with a satchel full of stuff work. He better be in next time around...

Alternate costume anybody?

MOVESET

I picture Animal Crosser as a "high-roller" of sorts... high risk, high reward. But first, a cool little feature they could have included/could include... if you have Animal Crossing, you can choose from your characters as costume choices! It would be awesome. ANYWAYS! What I mean by high risk, high reward is that attacks can either A) have a bunch of extra "oomph" or B) fail miserably. His stats would be similar to Mario's, though a tad slower, and a tad heavier. A moves consist primarily of punches, kicks, and utilization of his (MASSIVE!) head.

Smash Attacks For smashes, I would use Axe as his Side Smash. He swings the axe, doing a TON of damage, but virtually no knockback. To play into his playstyle, it would have a slim, 2% chance of being a Golden Axe, which deals somewhere around 70% damage, and a slightly higher chance of pulling out his Net, which does 1%, deals no knockback, and leaves you open for a short while with a dumb look on your face. His Up Smash would open a parasol above him, dealing massive knockback but no real damage. It would occationally be inside-out which, like the net, does nothing. Same thing for his Down Smash, but instead, he thrusts the parasol forward and down, then opens it.

B - Slingshot Chargeable. Animal Crosser takes out a slingshot and fires one shot forward. There's a slim it will be Golden, shoot really, REALLY fast, and explode on contact. There's also a chance nothing will fire at all, and Animal Crosser will be left vulnerable.

B> - Item Throw Animal Crosser flings a leaf forward, which, after a second, turns into an item of some sort. It can range from a piece of stationary, which does nothing, to a big-screen TV, which does MASSIVE damage. Some item, such as chairs, will shatter on impact with an enemy or the ground, while some, such as couches, will remain on the ground and can be carried, like Wario's Bike.

B^ - Fishing Rod It's a fishing rod... and a B^... can you guess what it does? It's, of course, a tether recovery. Sometimes it'll cast nothing, and you'll DIE, and sometimes it'll be Golden, and have infinite reach and automatically reel you to the edge.

Bv - Dig Up Animal Crosser digs into the ground and finds something - a fossil, a gyroid, a bag of money, etc - and carries it around. Pretty much all items that can be thrown... occasionally, he'll find nothing and be distressed, have a Golden Shovel and dig up a HUGE bag of money, or a beehive (WHY ARE THERE BEES UNDERGROUND!?!), which causes bees to chase him around and do damage, similar to a flower. They can be passed around like a Gooey Bomb.

Final Smash - Tree of Life Animal Crosser plants a tree wherever he's standing. Within a few seconds a tree grows, which varies in size depending on the stage. You can hit it, and items will fall out, from regular items, to edible fruit, to bee's nests (WHY GOD WHY!?), to stuff from Animal Crosser's moves. The tree will eventually wilt and fall over, but it can be toppled if attacked enough.

Spoiler: 1) - ANOTHER METROID REP!

Eight. EIGHT OPTIONS. Come on Sakurai... PICK ONE!!!

Toon Link. Diddy Kong and Wario. Meta Knight and King Dedede. What are all of these things? New characters added to old series. Mario, Zelda, Kirby, and Pokemon, some of Nintendo's biggest francises got new characters. So did smaller series, like Starfox and Mother. So what did Metroid get? A transformation.

The Metroid series is one of Nintendo's biggest. Besides Mario Galaxy and Brawl itself, Metroid Prime 3 is the game Nintendo was banking on to sell the Wii to "core" gamers. And over the years, the series has had a bunch of bosses, enemies, and rivals. Ridley is the first that came to the mind of most fans - but others, such as Dark Samus and the Hunters from Metroid Prime: Hunters, were popular ideas as well. And since this is Numero Uno, I'll go into detail with all of them.

RIDLEY

The scourge of the Galactic Federation... and of Samus Aran.

The year is 20XX. The place is Earth Colony K-2L. A horde of Space Pirates, led by the viscious Ridley, attacks... leaving all but a three-year-old girl dead. This girl's name? Samus.

Many think Ridley is just a recurring boss. He's not. The connection between Samus and Ridley is closer than the connection between Mario and Bowser, or Link and Ganon. If it weren't for Ridley's attack, Samus as we know her would not exist. If it weren't for his hatred of Samus, Ridley would have died long ago. Most arguments against his inclusion are "lol 2 big" or "emtroid sux" and such. They're terrible arguments... though, admittantly, after his role as a boss in SSE, shrinking him down WOULD feel out of place.

Sadly, it seems Sakurai has decided that Ridley just doesn't have a place in the roster. It's a shame. I mean, come on... Samus vs. Ridley. It's the matchup of the century! Look around the internet - I'm sure you can find the story of Samus and Ridley's first meeting somewhere. Tragic stuff, man. Tragic stuff.

DARK SAMUS

The Dark Hunter... has not yet arrived.

At the end of Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime (hooray redundancy!), the final boss, was defeated, and Samus left the planet. But if you beat the game 100%... you see a brief image of a hand, reaching from the puddles of Phazon which the great beast inhabited. This hand... was Dark Samus. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Dark Samus, who is Metroid Prime in a new form, took center stage in the spread of Phazon and was worked into the Light/Dark theme. In Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, she took control of the Space Pirates, but was eventually defeated, because, well, good wins, yay.

The epic showdown on a dying world!

Dark Samus is, of course, an evil doppelganger of regular Samus. But if you think that means she'd just be a clone... take a glance at Wario. She could be VERY unique, as she's floaty in the same vein as Mewtwo, and would have Phazon-based attacks, similar to Lucario's Aura and Ganondorf's Darkness. While she could certainly share moves with Samus, her playstyle would be COMPLETELY different. And though it is true (I think) that the Prime subseries was unpopular in Japan... come on. DARK SAMUS. METROID PRIME. She's the titular character, and they need to throw America a bone.

But, sadly, much like Ridley... it seems Sakurai has already decided against her. The description on her trophy says that she's identical to Samus. Another possible character down the drain...

THE HUNTERS

Six different characters. Not too many choices thar.

If you ask me, and I'm sure this opinion isn't shared by many, Metroid Prime: Hunters was unbearably terrible. But you know what WASN'T terrible? The characters it introduced. Weavel, the Space Pirate with a vendetta. Trace, the sniping warlord. Noxus, the frigid alien. Kanden, the experiment gone wrong. Sylux, the mysterious theif and terrorist. Spire, the last of his kind. Now, do any of those sound like they'd be LAME ideas? No. No, they don't.

If Metroid Prime was unpopular in Japan, Metroid Prime: Hunters was bargain bin within a week of release. But still. There's six, humanoid characters with wide possibilities for movesets... it's easier to put them in than ANYONE else. I mean, none of them have any real STORY... well... except for one of them.

SYLUX

Samus's next rival!?

He may not look impressive, but he may be a major character before next-gen! Unlike most of the Hunters in Metroid Prime: Hunters (man, I've been using that word WAY too much...), Sylux isn't there for the weapon at stake. He has a personal vendetta against the Galactic Federation and Samus by association. Why? We don't know. All we know is that his suit and weapon are Federation Tech, and he's a wanted fugitive. His race, true look, and even his real name is a mystery.

But the real question is... does he deserve a spot in Smash Bros? I mean, he's just been in that one game, right? You're wrong... maybe.

This is the mysterious ship seen at the end of Metroid Prime 3, chasing after Samus. If you have Metroid Prime: Hunters, look around for his ship, the Delano 7... are they the same? Decide for yourself. But if Sylux truly is a part of the next chapter in Metroid history, then he may be in the next chapter of Super Smash Bros. as well!

...but I digress. Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, hell, I'd take KRAID at this point. Just give us another Metroid character to play as. I think it's deserved it.

(P.S. - Yes, having eight characters tie for first is a cop out, and no, I'm not doing movesets for any of them, as it would make the others feel left out. Fictional charcters have feelings, too.)

-- Edited by johnny139 at 20:50, 2009-02-26

pikaby · Welco Metot Henex Tlevel

Stafy's time on Brawl, no matter how swift and undignified, has paid off. Now I'm fully satisfied with SSB as it is, and just hope Nintendo surprise me for SSB4

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

All the spoilers I clicked led me to Mewtwo...

Cut Lucario and Jigglypuff. Replace with one non-retarded Pokemon (Yes, one. Four Pokemon just takes away from the obscure games who could be in SSB4) Cut Wolf. I daresay Starfox hasn't earned 3 similar characters. Make Toon Link an outfit. When you choose 'em, Link's voice and moves change, but he's still the same character.

Half of Brawl's stages were really annoying. I don't see how Elektroplankton even deserves a stage, especially considering how bad it is. (METEOSMETEOSMETEOSMETEOSMETEOSMETEOS put the main menu song somewhere!)

Pokemon Trainer starts with Squirtle, Bulbasaur (don't know how to spell) and Charmander. He gets a smash ball, his Pokemon evolve. Why didn't they do this in the first place.

Instead of adding more characters from the same series, try to represent as many games as possible. If we can have Pit and R.O.B., then I don't see why other obscure characters can't make it.

johnny139 · Feb 27, 2009

Huh, that's odd. I hope no one minds four consecutive posts with spoiler'd content.

Spoiler: 4) - TINGLE

Not as glamourous as Spider-Man's origin... but it gets the job done.

What? Tingle! In fourth! In JOHNNY'S list! Who are you and what have you done with our savior!?

I know that's what you're thinking. Why isn't the best character in the history of gaming #1? As much as I love Tingle, he's not THAT major. However, the niche he would fill IS. Let's look at the Zelda roster. Link, Zelda, and Sheik, all with a unique moveset; Ganondorf and Toon Link, both with (mostly) clones movesets. Compare this to Mario and its spinoffs - with seven unique characters - and Pokemon - with, again, seven unique characters. Clearly our favorite sword-swinging epic has been shafted.

While Tingle would not guarantee a cloneless moveset, he's the most major character with a chance to be completely unique. His popularity in Japan, as evidenced by the picture beneath this paragraph, speaks for itself. With two games of his own, and more appearances than Ganon himself in the main series, there's no real reason to exclude him. And the fact he was put in as an Assist Trophy proves just how close he was to a coveted spot in the roster... however, the fact he, like everyone else, has a chance to be cloned, and the Zelda series DOES have four characters more than most series, puts him in a fitting fourth - right next to the "Big Three."

When a company thinks putting an elderly man in green latex will BOOST sales...

MOVESET

While Tingle COULD be a clone (maybe one of Toon Zelda, with Rupee Magic... or something...), odds are, he'd be completely unique. While he hasn't shown off too many combat skills in his time in the sun, it's still more than, say, Captain Falcon has. With some tweaking, methinks he could fit in perfectly.

Stat-wise, he's be light and slow-moving, but able to rack up damage quickly with aerial moves. Tingle would almost be a Jigglypuff-style character; easy to beat up on the ground, but untouchable in mid-air. His general persona would be gleeful... almost like he's beating the crap out of you ACCIDENTALLY. A Moves would involve slaps, kicks, and headbutts, along with a good dose of confetti. Toss in some killer, magical smashes, and you'd have a great character.

B - Rupee Throw Tingle shoots out a single Rupee in the vein of PK Fire or Sheik's Needles, but with minor knockback. Chargeable; the longer you hold down B, the more the Rupee is worth, and the more damage done. (Green-Blue-Yellow-Red-Purple-Orange-Silver-Gold)

B> - Scuffle Like in Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, Tingle dives forward and grabs someone. A comical dust cloud appears (like in cartoons), and if you spin the control stick, more damage is dealt. After the dust clears, the opponent will be on the ground and unable to get up for a short while, and Tingle will clean his hands.

Bv - Tingle Bomb A VERY useful move in The Wind Waker. There, he'd drop a bomb wherever you'd like. Here, he pulls out a big bomb (like, the size of an Electrode) and tosses it forward. REALLY strong, but hard to hit people with, because it takes a while to throw.

B^ - Tingle Balloon Tingle inflates a balloon, giving him a slight boost in height and allowing him to float for a short while, similar to Peach. Chargeable, the longer you hold down B, the higher you'll climb in the initial boost. If Tingle Bomb or Rupee Throw is performed, they'll be dropped instead of thrown, and Rupees turn into Force Gems, which similarly increase in power.

Final Smash - Jackpot. Tingle does his signature dance, and Rupees of various worth rain from the sky, dealing a bunch of damage to all enemies. Occationally, Tingle Bombs will fall, too, causing an explosion twice the size of a regular attack.

And just for the heck of it...

Up Taunt - Tingle throws confetti once with both hands, then spins around, all while singing "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!"
Side Taunt - Tingle looks quickly from side to side and scribbles on a piece of paper, making a map of the surrounding area.
Down Taunt - Tingle inflates a balloon, but it fills too much and pops, giving him a look of great surprise.

johnny139 · Feb 27, 2009

Neeeeeeeeeext...

Spoiler: 3) - SAMURAI GOROH

Close... so very close... if only Sakurai were a more merciful dictator...

Look at the original ten francises. Mario and Pokemon had friends from the start... Zelda got three... Starfox and Kirby got two... Donkey Kong and Mother got one... even Metroid got Zero Suit Samus! Ignoring Yoshi, since he's just a Mario spinoff anyways, Captain Falcon is the only core francise who hasn't gotten a buddy (err... other character). Poor Falcon.

It's not as if F-Zero has a lack of characters to draw from. F-Zero GX, it's most recent console outing, had a total of 41(!) different racers, from princesses to superheroes to arms dealers. However, when looking at potential players, there's not reason to glance past the original four - Captain Falcon, Dr. Stewart, Pico, and our hero's eternal rival, Samurai Goroh. While he, like Falcon, has never been seen out of the ****pit for extended periods of time, that shouldn't hamper his moveset possibilities. Not only is he a bounty hunter, Goroh is (if you couldn't tell by the name) a freakin' SAMURAI.

SAMURAI!

Putting him on the sidelines is inexcusible. Unlike the previous two choices, I can't imagine any reason NOT to include another F-Zero character. Too many swords? I don't care. SAMURAI BOUNTY HUNTER FROM OUTER SPACE!!! There's a reason he's SUPER KICKASS CAPTAIN FALCON'S rival! So why does he only rank in third? You'll see soon enough...

...it's hard to find good pictures of him.

MOVESET

Goroh is a tricky one. If you can't tell by his physique, he would obviously be a heavyweight. But samurai are usually fast, right? So what do we do with him, fast and weak, or slow and strong? It's a tough choice for many, but in my opinion, why choose at all? Both!

His running speed would be painfully slow. But his attack speed... LIGHTNING. The Fire Stingray (his machine) has an A in Body and a B in Grip, making it strong and easy to use, but a D in Boost, giving him a handicap speed-wise and a slow starter. This should be reflected in his moveset. A Moves would be quick, nearly Meta Knight-like, allowing him to rack up the damage. His B Moves would be the opposite, big and clunkly like his machine, but if they're excuted right, BAM!

B - Goroh Slash Falcon Punch with a sword. Long overhead charge with a MASSIVE downswing, dealing massive damage and knockback to whoever you can hit with it, if anyone at all, as it's slower than the Falcon Punch. Also, fire!

B> - Final Slash Ever play Kirby Super Star's "Samurai Kirby" minigame? It showcases a classic in Samurai Movies, and westerns, too... the quick-draw. Both warriors stare eachother down and dash forward, faster than light, drawing their swords in the process, or simply yank their gun out of its holster. The one whose blade (or bullet) was flashed first wins... the other... dies. In short, it's Ike's B>, only a lot more start-up lag and an effect similar (but a weaker than) the Lyn Assist. His main K.O. move.

B^ - Helicopter Blade Goroh spins his sword around like a helicopter, giving him slight lift and dealing a multi-hit to whoever is above him. It's suckish, but that's another handicap of his. Also, fire, again!

Bv - Flame Trail FWOOSH! Goroh should be a fire guy... it's his trademark! FIRE Stingray! Meh. Anyways, he stabs his sword into the ground and flame shoot out of the ground in a row before him, slowly growing larger, the final dealing a lot of knockback. If someone is caught in the startup stab, they'll be pulled along the path and rocketed into the air.

Final Smash - The Goroh Gang Strikes! Goroh shouts for his men to come, and two F-Zero machines similar to his (but with different paintjobs) rocket across the screen in an "X" formation, pulling whoever the catch into the middle of the X. During this process two of Goroh's Men (which you can see HERE) come out and slash quickly at the people caught in the middle for a short qhile. Goroh stands beneath this preparing to strike, and once his men are finished, he leaps up and does a near automatic K.O. to those in the center, similar to a vertical version of his B>.

That Final Smash probably didn't come out very clearly... oh well. It looked really cool in my head.

johnny139 · Feb 27, 2009

Spoiler: 2) - ANIMAL CROSSER

The face of a true warrior!

Animal Crosser? In second? Are you mad, man? Yes, I am, but for entirely different reasons.

Once Smashville was confirmed, most of us didn't wonder "Would Animal Crossing get a rep?" Most of us wondered "What will Animal Crossing's rep be?" A fake article about the Animal Crossing Character being confirmed was spread around... and no one second guessed it. It seemed THAT likely. So the final roster was leaked, and I'm sure I wasn' the only who was surprised by the fact there was no big headed freak in the mix!

Smash Bros. has always been a blend of the old and new. Ness and Lucas, Marth and Ike, Jigglypuff and Lucario... but most of the "new" characters are from long-standing series, such as Fire Emblem or Mother. Olimar is the sole representative of a new game SERIES, not just a new GAME. Animal Crosser would usurp that role. While Pikmin was released at Gamecube launch, alongside Melee, Animal Crossing wasn't released until some time AFTER, evidenced by the various trophies found in the game. Yeah, there was Animal Forest in Japan for the N64... but we can just ignore that, for sake of argument.

He's new, he's popular, and he has the right equipment for the job. So why wasn't he included? Let's here it straight from the man himself...

"...does not seem plausable to fight."

SURE Sakurai. If you can make an old 80s toy work, you can make a popular character with a satchel full of stuff work. He better be in next time around...

Alternate costume anybody?

MOVESET

I picture Animal Crosser as a "high-roller" of sorts... high risk, high reward. But first, a cool little feature they could have included/could include... if you have Animal Crossing, you can choose from your characters as costume choices! It would be awesome. ANYWAYS! What I mean by high risk, high reward is that attacks can either A) have a bunch of extra "oomph" or B) fail miserably. His stats would be similar to Mario's, though a tad slower, and a tad heavier. A moves consist primarily of punches, kicks, and utilization of his (MASSIVE!) head.

Smash Attacks For smashes, I would use Axe as his Side Smash. He swings the axe, doing a TON of damage, but virtually no knockback. To play into his playstyle, it would have a slim, 2% chance of being a Golden Axe, which deals somewhere around 70% damage, and a slightly higher chance of pulling out his Net, which does 1%, deals no knockback, and leaves you open for a short while with a dumb look on your face. His Up Smash would open a parasol above him, dealing massive knockback but no real damage. It would occationally be inside-out which, like the net, does nothing. Same thing for his Down Smash, but instead, he thrusts the parasol forward and down, then opens it.

B - Slingshot Chargeable. Animal Crosser takes out a slingshot and fires one shot forward. There's a slim it will be Golden, shoot really, REALLY fast, and explode on contact. There's also a chance nothing will fire at all, and Animal Crosser will be left vulnerable.

B> - Item Throw Animal Crosser flings a leaf forward, which, after a second, turns into an item of some sort. It can range from a piece of stationary, which does nothing, to a big-screen TV, which does MASSIVE damage. Some item, such as chairs, will shatter on impact with an enemy or the ground, while some, such as couches, will remain on the ground and can be carried, like Wario's Bike.

B^ - Fishing Rod It's a fishing rod... and a B^... can you guess what it does? It's, of course, a tether recovery. Sometimes it'll cast nothing, and you'll DIE, and sometimes it'll be Golden, and have infinite reach and automatically reel you to the edge.

Bv - Dig Up Animal Crosser digs into the ground and finds something - a fossil, a gyroid, a bag of money, etc - and carries it around. Pretty much all items that can be thrown... occasionally, he'll find nothing and be distressed, have a Golden Shovel and dig up a HUGE bag of money, or a beehive (WHY ARE THERE BEES UNDERGROUND!?!), which causes bees to chase him around and do damage, similar to a flower. They can be passed around like a Gooey Bomb.

Final Smash - Tree of Life Animal Crosser plants a tree wherever he's standing. Within a few seconds a tree grows, which varies in size depending on the stage. You can hit it, and items will fall out, from regular items, to edible fruit, to bee's nests (WHY GOD WHY!?), to stuff from Animal Crosser's moves. The tree will eventually wilt and fall over, but it can be toppled if attacked enough.

johnny139 · Feb 27, 2009

Spoiler: 1) - ANOTHER METROID REP!

Eight. EIGHT OPTIONS. Come on Sakurai... PICK ONE!!!

Toon Link. Diddy Kong and Wario. Meta Knight and King Dedede. What are all of these things? New characters added to old series. Mario, Zelda, Kirby, and Pokemon, some of Nintendo's biggest francises got new characters. So did smaller series, like Starfox and Mother. So what did Metroid get? A transformation.

The Metroid series is one of Nintendo's biggest. Besides Mario Galaxy and Brawl itself, Metroid Prime 3 is the game Nintendo was banking on to sell the Wii to "core" gamers. And over the years, the series has had a bunch of bosses, enemies, and rivals. Ridley is the first that came to the mind of most fans - but others, such as Dark Samus and the Hunters from Metroid Prime: Hunters, were popular ideas as well. And since this is Numero Uno, I'll go into detail with all of them.

RIDLEY

The scourge of the Galactic Federation... and of Samus Aran.

The year is 20XX. The place is Earth Colony K-2L. A horde of Space Pirates, led by the viscious Ridley, attacks... leaving all but a three-year-old girl dead. This girl's name? Samus.

Many think Ridley is just a recurring boss. He's not. The connection between Samus and Ridley is closer than the connection between Mario and Bowser, or Link and Ganon. If it weren't for Ridley's attack, Samus as we know her would not exist. If it weren't for his hatred of Samus, Ridley would have died long ago. Most arguments against his inclusion are "lol 2 big" or "emtroid sux" and such. They're terrible arguments... though, admittantly, after his role as a boss in SSE, shrinking him down WOULD feel out of place.

Sadly, it seems Sakurai has decided that Ridley just doesn't have a place in the roster. It's a shame. I mean, come on... Samus vs. Ridley. It's the matchup of the century! Look around the internet - I'm sure you can find the story of Samus and Ridley's first meeting somewhere. Tragic stuff, man. Tragic stuff.

DARK SAMUS

The Dark Hunter... has not yet arrived.

At the end of Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime (hooray redundancy!), the final boss, was defeated, and Samus left the planet. But if you beat the game 100%... you see a brief image of a hand, reaching from the puddles of Phazon which the great beast inhabited. This hand... was Dark Samus. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Dark Samus, who is Metroid Prime in a new form, took center stage in the spread of Phazon and was worked into the Light/Dark theme. In Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, she took control of the Space Pirates, but was eventually defeated, because, well, good wins, yay.

The epic showdown on a dying world!

Dark Samus is, of course, an evil doppelganger of regular Samus. But if you think that means she'd just be a clone... take a glance at Wario. She could be VERY unique, as she's floaty in the same vein as Mewtwo, and would have Phazon-based attacks, similar to Lucario's Aura and Ganondorf's Darkness. While she could certainly share moves with Samus, her playstyle would be COMPLETELY different. And though it is true (I think) that the Prime subseries was unpopular in Japan... come on. DARK SAMUS. METROID PRIME. She's the titular character, and they need to throw America a bone.

But, sadly, much like Ridley... it seems Sakurai has already decided against her. The description on her trophy says that she's identical to Samus. Another possible character down the drain...

THE HUNTERS

Six different characters. Not too many choices thar.

If you ask me, and I'm sure this opinion isn't shared by many, Metroid Prime: Hunters was unbearably terrible. But you know what WASN'T terrible? The characters it introduced. Weavel, the Space Pirate with a vendetta. Trace, the sniping warlord. Noxus, the frigid alien. Kanden, the experiment gone wrong. Sylux, the mysterious theif and terrorist. Spire, the last of his kind. Now, do any of those sound like they'd be LAME ideas? No. No, they don't.

If Metroid Prime was unpopular in Japan, Metroid Prime: Hunters was bargain bin within a week of release. But still. There's six, humanoid characters with wide possibilities for movesets... it's easier to put them in than ANYONE else. I mean, none of them have any real STORY... well... except for one of them.

SYLUX

Samus's next rival!?

He may not look impressive, but he may be a major character before next-gen! Unlike most of the Hunters in Metroid Prime: Hunters (man, I've been using that word WAY too much...), Sylux isn't there for the weapon at stake. He has a personal vendetta against the Galactic Federation and Samus by association. Why? We don't know. All we know is that his suit and weapon are Federation Tech, and he's a wanted fugitive. His race, true look, and even his real name is a mystery.

But the real question is... does he deserve a spot in Smash Bros? I mean, he's just been in that one game, right? You're wrong... maybe.

This is the mysterious ship seen at the end of Metroid Prime 3, chasing after Samus. If you have Metroid Prime: Hunters, look around for his ship, the Delano 7... are they the same? Decide for yourself. But if Sylux truly is a part of the next chapter in Metroid history, then he may be in the next chapter of Super Smash Bros. as well!

...but I digress. Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, hell, I'd take KRAID at this point. Just give us another Metroid character to play as. I think it's deserved it.

(P.S. - Yes, having eight characters tie for first is a cop out, and no, I'm not doing movesets for any of them, as it would make the others feel left out. Fictional charcters have feelings, too.)

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

I agree with all your choices except animal crosser. Frankly, I'd die if that happened.
And bring on the ridley. ridleyridleyridley. He is NOT too big.

A final fantasy cahracter would be good, and hell, there've been ff games on nintendo consoles.

pikaby · Welco Metot Henex Tlevel

1 and 2 would have been awesome to have.

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

I know the series is already so extremely represented, but a part of me wants Superstar M&L as a character. It'd work like the ice climbers with one following the other, and when you taunt they switch places. When you get a super shroom, only the front one grows, and than when it expires the rear one smacks 'em with a hammer to bring 'em down to size.

B

Hold the button for a fairly powerful hammer attack. When the hammer shakes, release the button!

B>

Spin jump. Luigi jumps on Mario's head and they do a gravity defying aerial spin in the chosen direction, pummeling those in their path.

B^

High jump. Mario bounces off Luigi's head for a super high jump. Pretty straight forward.

Bv

...I dunno. maybe I'll think of something later.

Final Smash: Mario and Luigi perform a silly bros. attack executed by pressing A and B at the right times. Does a different attack depending on who you have in front.

Jumping is also a major form of attack for them. Land on somebody and press A for a stylized air-to-ground attack. And, I'll do taunts too because hey, taunts are fun.

^ Mario and Luigi spin than strike a pose with a confetti of stars, maybe one of several poses.

< > Mario and Luigi look at each other, than back at the screen, their hands on their chins and a puzzled expression on their faces. "Hmm"

v M & L exchange a short gibberish conversation composed of their signature superstar sayings, than nod to each other.

That, or a playable Fawful, but that'd never happen.

-- Edited by DestinyGuy at 04:32, 2009-02-28

toadster101 · The one and only Uncle Toadstie.

Needs moar King K. Rool

pikaby · Welco Metot Henex Tlevel

DestinyGuy wrote:

I agree with all your choices except animal crosser. Frankly, I'd die if that happened.
And bring on the ridley. ridleyridleyridley. He is NOT too big.

A final fantasy cahracter would be good, and hell, there've been ff games on nintendo consoles.

ANIMAL CROSSER FTW

And not to mention there've been FF characters in Nintendo games too. Mario Hoops, anyone?

johnny139 · Mar 1, 2009

Cecil Harvey for SSBIV.

...

Just ditch Yuri Lowenthal. I love the guy, but, damn, he does not make a good Cecil.

-- Edited by johnny139 at 05:09, 2009-03-01

CRAZ1ah · Nano-Nano nano da!

who?

pikaby · Welco Metot Henex Tlevel

If you're talking about Final Fantasy, I have no idea what you're talking about.
If you're NOT talking about Final Fantasy, I have no idea what you're talking about.

johnny139 · Mar 1, 2009

FFIV - you know, with the Cecil and the Rosa and the FOUR ERUMANTARU RORDS! and the-

Ahh screw it you all suck. >.>

toadster101 · The one and only Uncle Toadstie.

KING K. MOTHER ****ING ROOL.

pikaby · Welco Metot Henex Tlevel

johnny139 wrote:

FFIV - you know, with the Cecil and the Rosa and the FOUR ERUMANTARU RORDS! and the-

Ahh screw it you all suck. >.>

Never tried FFIV before, so can't blame us for not knowing.

Pokefreak113 · Stab my eye. I dare you. I DARE YOU!

I agree with Johny. but keep Lucario. A lot of people (like me) use him as a main. Kick Jigglypuff out, no one uses him/her/it.

Mewtwo and Lucario in SSB4 FTW

johnny139 · Mar 4, 2009

Pokefreak113 wrote:

I agree with Johny. but keep Lucario. A lot of people (like me) use him as a main. Kick Jigglypuff out, no one uses him/her/it.

Mewtwo and Lucario in SSB4 FTW

A lot people used Dr. Mario, too. I did. He was much better than regular Mario. But the removed him - why? Because he was a lame character and pretty much just a reskin of Mario. Why would we keep him when other character could fill the spot better? One could say the same of Lucario.

Jigglypuff is still one of the most popular Pokemon in Japan and one of the most recognizable in America, not to mention the fact he/she/it's one of the original 12. She ain't goin' nowhere.

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

I still say drop Lucario and Jigglypuff. Either bring Mewtwo back, or give us another decent one.

CRAZ1ah · Nano-Nano nano da!

Jigglypuff is still one of the most popular Pokemon in Japan and one of the most recognizable in America, not to mention the fact he/she/it's one of the original 12. She ain't goin' nowhere.

^ that

Destiny Guy · I think I have a girl in my avatar about 95% of the time.

Which is complete crap IMO.

toadster101 · The one and only Uncle Toadstie.

**** you. Jiggs is awesome. Lucario needs to die in a fire.